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Traveling to Southeast Asia can offer a valuable counterpoint to the hyper-competitiveness and fast pace of Western culture, fostering personal growth and providing a unique perspective on life.
This discussion features Jake, who shares his six-month travel experiences in Southeast Asia, including Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Japan, and his transition back to the US. He initially found Asia overwhelming after a challenging first trip to China in 2014, but a subsequent trip to Thailand, recommended by a coworker, changed his perspective entirely. This led him to view his seasonal work as a means to fund extended travel in Asia, seeking a lifestyle radically different from his US background.
Jake details his recent six-month journey, starting in Taiwan, then spending time in Thailand (including language courses and island hopping), followed by two months in Da Nang, Vietnam, where he focused on improving his coding skills. He also briefly visited Cambodia before concluding his trip in Japan. He highlights Thailand as the most beginner-friendly country due to its infrastructure and welcoming culture, while noting Cambodia as a potential next step for those seeking a slightly calmer experience.
Upon returning to the US, Jake experienced 'reverse culture shock,' noticing a significant difference in the pace of life, the perceived abrasiveness of people, and a pervasive sense of hyper-competitiveness in social interactions and even everyday activities like walking. This contrasts sharply with the more relaxed and less competitive atmosphere he experienced in Southeast Asia, which he credits with helping him shed his own competitive tendencies. He is now focused on developing his programming skills, aiming for a remote work career that will allow him to return to Asia and live a more untethered life.
The conversation also touches on the digital nomad lifestyle and the opportunities in coding. Jake is actively learning JavaScript, HTML, and CSS, with plans to learn React and APIs, aiming to secure a remote job within six to eight months. He envisions a future where he can travel for extended periods, living out of a single suitcase, and potentially accumulating wealth to purchase property back in the US as a stable base. The discussion emphasizes how travel and remote work can 'buy time' for self-assessment and planning, a valuable commodity often lost in the demanding pace of Western life.
Southeast Asia, particularly Thailand, is highly recommended for digital nomads, especially beginners. The region offers beginner-friendly travel with good amenities, friendly locals, and widespread English proficiency among younger people. It provides a slower pace of life and a less competitive environment compared to Western countries.
Reverse culture shock after traveling in Asia refers to the disorientation and difficulty experienced when returning to one's home country. Travelers often notice a stark contrast in the pace of life, social interactions, and a perceived increase in competitiveness and abrasiveness in Western societies.
Learning to code, such as JavaScript, HTML, and CSS, is a viable path to becoming a digital nomad. Focusing on skills like React and APIs can help secure remote work opportunities. This allows for the flexibility to work from anywhere, enabling extended travel and a more untethered lifestyle.
Yes, Thailand is considered very beginner-friendly for travel in Southeast Asia. It boasts excellent infrastructure, a welcoming culture, and many younger locals speak English. This makes navigating the country and interacting with people much easier for first-time visitors.
The digital nomad lifestyle offers significant benefits, primarily the freedom to travel and live in different countries while working remotely. It allows individuals to 'buy time' for self-reflection, personal growth, and planning, which is often difficult to achieve in a fast-paced Western work environment.
For a truly immersive experience, extended travel in Asia for a month or more is recommended. This duration allows for proper time zone adjustment, a slower pace of life, and deeper cultural immersion, which is quite different from a short vacation.
The video mentions that a one-year visa was for Thailand, not the Philippines. For the Philippines, the current approach discussed is using tourist visas with extensions. The video does not detail specific requirements or application processes for long-term visas in the Philippines.
Returning to the US after living in Southeast Asia can lead to reverse culture shock. This includes noticing a slower pace of life and less perceived abrasiveness in Asia compared to the US. The video highlights a sense of hyper-competitiveness in American social interactions and daily activities that contrasts with the more relaxed atmosphere experienced abroad.
Learning to code, specifically languages like JavaScript, HTML, and CSS, is presented as a viable path to becoming a digital nomad. The goal is to secure a remote job within six to eight months, enabling work from anywhere. This lifestyle allows for extended travel and a more untethered existence.
0:04 Okay, we are live. Well, uh, well, we're not live, actually. We're, you're going to be watching this after the fact. So, I want to welcome my friend Jake. Jake and I actually connected through my YouTube channel. He's done a lot of travel and he's recently gotten back to the US to try to continue to level up his programming skills. I thought it would be valuable to have a discussion and discuss his experience, also like the entry process. I'm looking at possibly having to do that myself in the coming weeks, so I thought it would just be valuable to cover that because some people just don't know what that looks like or what that's going to be like. So, Jake, if you could go ahead and introduce yourself.
0:52 Sure, thanks for inviting me, Alex. I've been following Alex's channel for some time now, before he's gotten as big as he is now. But I am Jake, I am from the US, grew up in the Midwest. I'm 37 years old. I have a background in, um, actually English Lit. I have a masters in composition and rhetoric, and six years of wildland firefighting experience. So it seems like there's a contrast there, but I've been doing a lot of different things with my life. During my off time, during my seasonal firefighting work, I would come to Asia and start traveling, and that's kind of how I got interested in this lifestyle.
1:44 Very cool, Jake. And yeah, you've had such a variety of experiences in your life. There's a lot of contrast there. It's like a high-contrast lifestyle, right? So, what got you interested in Asia? And what was your first trip to Asia like? And then, kind of briefly, what was your more recent trip like?
2:14 So, I just thought I wanted to do something radically different, and I went to Asia for the first time in 2014. I went to China, and that was quite overwhelming. I hadn't even been to Europe at that point. I was pre-smartphones, pre-translator apps, so I remember taking photos of the Lonely Planet and showing it to my taxi driver to get around. So, that was definitely one of the more extreme traveling experiences I've ever had. But to answer your question, like, what got me interested? I think it was just a genuine curiosity and something that was considered to be the polar opposite of everything I had known. I'm a big fan of trial and error; sometimes you've got to just jump into it and learn the hard way. That was one of those experiences where I just jumped into the deep end. There were no baby steps involved.
3:12 I think unfortunately, I associated Asia with that Chinese experience, so I kind of was afraid of Asia for some years after that. And it wasn't until I got into fire and started working alongside a lot of guys who had spent time in Southeast Asia. They were like, 'No, dude, you need to give it a real shot and go to a more, like, beginner-friendly type of country, like Thailand.' So, I spent an entire summer getting an earful from this one coworker that's like, 'You need to go here, you need to go here.' He sent me a whole Google document with all his recommendations. So I went, and I just had the time of my life. And then it kind of flipped the script, man. Like, I just saved all of those recommendations and just already started planning for my trip the following year. So that's kind of what my fire jobs turned into after a while. While I was passionate about the work, it turned into a means to make money just to go back to Asia.
4:23 That reminds me a lot of, uh, I'm a subscriber to a channel called Captain Trucker, and he and I have done a little bit of a collaboration. He's very similar to you in that regard, in that he'll drive for an extended period of time, he'll save up his money, he'll go and spend a big chunk of time in Asia. Because there's limited career options that have that much flexibility as far as being able to work for X amount of time and then getting off a big chunk of time. I can't speak for other people, but it's a lot. It's a pretty big lift to go to Asia to just go for a week, right? And I don't blame people for doing that. I know people have finite vacation time, but it's so nice to get that immersion when you go for a month or longer than that. I think a month's a good kind of a starting point because you fully adjust to the time zone, you adjust to the local bacteria, as far as just like diet goes. You have a chance to slow down a little bit, which sometimes, I think when we're on vacation from a corporate job, we can't really fully slow down. I remember when I did some travel when I was working a corporate job, it's like, yeah, okay, this was fun, but I'm thinking the whole time I'm going back to the grind.
5:44 So yeah, very, very interesting that, you know, you've had this kind of variety of experiences. Could you speak to your more recent trip? Because actually, this is when we were able to meet in person, which is super cool. You visited a few countries. Could you talk about that? What that experience was like for you?
6:05 Sure. So in total, I was traveling for six months. And I started my trip in Taiwan. So the front and the back end of my six-month journey were more travel intensive. But speaking to the front end, I landed in Taipei and I actually connected with a friend via Facebook that I had no prior knowledge of. Had a really positive experience getting to know them, and they showed me around the city for about five or six days. And then I was able to connect with some other people that I'd known from a mutual friend that I met in Changai the year prior. So that was in Kaohsiung and Taichung, and all of Southern Taiwan. I got to explore through their train system. Was treated really well, had some delicious food, and no real negative experiences whatsoever. And then after two weeks there, I flew back to Thailand. It had been almost exactly a year since I had left Thailand the previous time. And I lived in an apartment near the On Nut BTS station and commuted to a school that was near Phrom Phong stop where I was taking entry-level Thai speaking courses with eight other students, all from Asia. I was the only Western person in the class, so they, as expected, were more than kind to me and kind of took me under their wing. It was just a really cool, cool school. I think I was paying close to like $225 for the month package, and really intensive three hours a day, five days a week. Loved my teacher, Kru Tiptuda. Shout out, she's watching this. And then so after that month, I decided that the city wasn't quite my vibe. I was ready to switch it up. Flew to Koh Phangan for a week during Songkran. Loved that place. And from there, moved to Koh Samui for another month. So I was in the Bangrak Beach area for that month. And, you know, that was okay. I don't know that I would go back and spend that amount of time. It felt really, I don't know, I guess over-touristified.
9:00 That was whenever I started researching more about Vietnam. And, dang, at that point, I was only interested in one thing, which was improving my coding skills and marketing myself. And I was like, 'Where can I go to budget, live a budget lifestyle, and learn more?' So I went to Da Nang and spent two months there, where I met with you and had a really positive experience throughout my time there. I made one YouTube video about it that I think I talk a lot about my experience there. And then from there, I went back to Thailand and spent a few weeks, and then closed out my trip in Japan.
9:44 So I think that sounds like a wild journey. It was great, man. It was so good in many ways. Out of the places that you've been, is there one country, and you could even specify a city within a country, that if you were talking to somebody who's never been to Asia in general, maybe never even left the United States or Australia, which of those countries do you think is the most beginner-friendly?
10:15 Yeah, in my experience, I would say Thailand with a fair amount of certainty, just based on the western amenities and how kind the people are and the focus on serving and taking care of you. I think they're approachable and they're willing to kind of help you navigate things. Especially the younger groups, people speak a fair amount of English. So I think if you can get by with a certain level of initial discomfort and you have some sense of adventurousness, you can make it work, especially with all the translation apps and whatnot now. I did forget to mention that I went from Saigon through Cambodia back into Thailand. So Cambodia was another country that I got to experience, but I think Cambodia might be like the next step up if you're looking for like a little bit calmer waters. I mean, I hate to say that about Thailand, it's there, there's some chaotic components to it, but if you do your research and you show up with a good attitude, I think you can have a good time.
11:31 Yeah, I definitely agree. I mean, the energy in Thailand is eclectic and very fast-paced, and I love Thailand. But I can appreciate that sometimes we may find that some places have a little bit slower pace. Maybe for some people, they want something with a faster pace. I've spent more time in Thailand than any other country, so I have a lot of love for Thailand. But yeah, I mean, it's nice to get a variety. I feel like the experiences you've had in Taiwan, you've been to Cambodia, you've been to Vietnam. You're able to compare and contrast these different countries. And also, you've been to Japan. What do you like about each one and what you're not as preferential to?
12:22 Preferential to and then decide like, okay, this is what I've done, this is what I haven't done. What do I want to try to add to the mix next time? So, I think that's such a good way to look at it. I'm a big proponent of the discovery trip, not necessarily committing, 'Okay, I read about this one country, I'm gonna go there and I'm done.' But get a taste of this, like almost like a buffet. Southeast Asia has so many cool places to see that I think a lot of people would benefit from trying this and trying that. Even within Thailand, try the big city, try the small city, try a lot of different things, and you'll get a stronger sense of what you like and don't like.
13:02 I think that's just such a great variety that you've gotten to experience on your trip. Now, kind of moving on from there, and this, I know it could be a difficult subject, but it could be a little bit stressful. You recently returned back to the US. I'm looking at having to do the same soon, and we had a little bit of conversation about culture shock. What kind of culture shock did you notice coming from Japan to arriving in California?
13:37 Yeah, so I keep describing it as mild culture shock, but it is significant. And I suppose there's an intuitive feeling of culture shock where you just experience it energetically, or from the way people behave, the pace of life, the pace of walking, the expectation that things need to be done in a quicker manner, which is a little unsettling after you've acclimated to the more calm approach of Southeast Asia. That combined with just small little twinges of like, 'Oh, that's annoying that I just paid $100 to fill up my truck with gas.' So you just feel like you're hemorrhaging money, which you don't feel that way whenever you're in the American fishbowl.
14:33 I suppose you could, but just when you have the comparison of being in Asia for six months and then coming back, that's one thing I experienced. And I think the people tend to be a little bit, what's the word, abrasive. You notice things a little bit more, and there's just this expectation that you have to be a little more callous to either judgments or maybe harsh words. For instance, I was called wimpy by a barista for buying a chamomile tea rather than an espresso shot. I was just like, 'Okay, well, that would definitely never happen in Vietnam.' But things like that, you're just like, 'Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta have my guard up a little bit.'
15:32 And then people talk louder, people talk faster. So those are kind of the original noticings. Yeah, I definitely have noticed that too when I came back from Latin America several years ago. Unfortunately, I'm sure I'll notice it whenever I make it back from this trip. It's just such a... you don't notice when you're there, right? And if you haven't been outside the country, you don't really think about it.
16:03 One of my close friends is actually visiting Thailand for the first time right now. He'd never been outside of the US, and he's noticing a lot of what you're talking about as far as comparing Thailand to back home. He's like, 'Man, people here are just so nice and so friendly and really chill.' And I think about, you know, being in the work setting and getting constantly corrected by leadership, 'No, do this way. No, do it this way. This is wrong.' And you know, just not having that experience.
16:37 Now, some of that, of course, is that we're not working in Thailand, we don't have permission to do... So true. The other thing I'll mention is just it feels like there's like a subtle competitiveness just to everything. Maybe it's like basic conversation, or you're interacting with strangers, talking about some kind of sports team, and then they're almost wanting to like up the ante or show that they know a little bit more about that team. It's just things that you don't ever deal with in Southeast Asia.
17:18 You feel like in the US, people are more status-conscious on average compared to your experiences in Southeast Asia, for sure. Yeah, I definitely have noticed that myself, just in conversations sometimes with people back home where, you know, they want to turn the conversation into competition. It's like, 'What are we there? There is no competition.' Like, 'What's happening?'
17:51 I find this a lot. You know, you talk about you're in California. I'll talk to people in my home state, 'Oh, but our home state's better.' It's not a competition, right? They're so different from one another. It's like they're in two very different worlds.
18:10 Yeah, it's just a really... I think part of it is called what they call like reverse culture shock. So you have the culture shock when you go to Asia and you're surprised at how friendly people are and how relaxed people are. And then you have the reverse when you come back and you're like, 'Oh wow, like I didn't notice any of this stuff,' and now it's just so readily apparent to me.
18:38 And yeah, so I'm trying to think of what else is top of mind. Well, speaking on what you're saying, I credit Southeast Asia with kind of helping me dissolve those parts of myself that were hyper-competitive. I mean, I think there are positive qualities to having that ambitious part of you. I'm also grateful that I got to spend time in places that showed me a different approach.
19:12 So coming back, my home country looks different. And you've talked to me about your athletic background, and when you're an athlete, you're trained to compete, right? You want to beat the other team, you want to be the faster individual, you want to be the stronger individual, you want to be able to have perhaps just like rapid movement, that fast-twitch energy. So you're really trained to kind of think, 'How do I win?'
19:39 And then you go to Southeast Asia like, 'Nobody cares how fast you walk.' I remember in Chiang Mai, when I landed in Chiang Mai, I'm just walking really fast, and then realizing, 'Why am I trying to outpace somebody on the sidewalk? Nobody cares.' And so that competition... that's a really good point about the walking.
20:03 And at first, it feels really annoying that you're just kind of trying to get around everyone. And then you sort of, after some time, you fall in line with their flow of things. And then you come back here, and it's like you're going to get run over. Yeah, there's so many times I remember back in the States, I'd be driving along, and somebody would pass me really quick and just fly by, and then we'd pull up to the same light. It's like, 'Come on, these lights are designed to maintain a certain flow of traffic. They're not designed to be beaten or whatever.'
20:40 But yeah, people get in their heads that they've got to compete. So, I know we've talked somewhat about your interest to come back to Southeast Asia. I'm curious, is there anywhere in particular that you want to focus on in your next journey over here?
21:04 Yeah, great question. I am particularly interested in spending more time in Japan after my short stay there this time. But I also would like to go to the Philippines for the first time, so I can see what that's like. I haven't been there quite yet, so it would be an interesting experience and hopefully get to get a flavor of what life is like there.
21:33 I think it's weird, but the Philippines feels in some ways like there's less culture shock than some of the mainland countries because there's so much English here. So when you land at the airport, you can talk to people in English. You walk down the street or you get a cab in town, you're able to speak English to the driver. You know, you go to McDonald's, you walk, you see people wearing like NBA jerseys. It's really interesting, like it's different, you know. It's certainly not like being in the US, but it's also not like, you know, you're landing in Bangkok and you see Thai characters everywhere and you hear people speaking Thai.
22:20 You just get a strong sense you're somewhere very, very different. To me, it's almost at times like the uncanny valley where I feel like sometimes I'm halfway in between the US and Southeast Asia. It is more laidback, I'm not going to discount that, but part of it is that you do have the English, and you have a lot of Americans here. So I think it's definitely valuable to check out. I don't think it's for everybody, but certainly there are some cool places here.
22:50 I will mention too, like it's not as expensive as I thought it was going to be. Everybody's always warning me, 'Oh, Philippines, so expensive.' I believe it's pricier in Manila or Cebu, but you know, I'm down here in Dagupan, and I know Dumaguete is top of mind for a lot of people. It's reasonable. It's not the cheapest place in the country, it's not the cheapest place in the world, but I mean, I found it to be pretty decent value for money.
23:18 Yeah, it's been interesting, and I've really enjoyed keeping up on your videos since you've moved back there. And I'm curious, how like, are there times where you feel like you get tricked into feeling like you're still in the US, or is it never apparent? Like, is it, you know, what I'm trying to say?
23:43 Occasionally I see somebody fresh off the plane, and I can tell because they're always walking really fast. Wherever it is they're walking fast, in the mall, they're walking fast.
23:59 They're walking fast, like on the boulevard. You can see them kind of just the aggression in their bodies, like that kind of anxious energy. They're looking around too, like, I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like in the US, we're kind of stressed out, so we're trying to look for hidden threats, like, 'Is there somebody coming around the corner? Is there a dark alley there? Is there somebody that's going to come out of there?' And so you see this kind of agitated body movement.
24:31 I also have seen some people just lose it, particularly at a visa service. I'm not going to mention them, but somebody who seemed very stressed out, I'll put it that way. I overheard him mention, 'I just got here,' and he just seemed really wound up tight. I get it; I'm not going to put the gentleman down. I've been fresh off the plane too, super wound up, ready to get settled in, but also having that pent-up energy, that energy you feel when you're just trying to stay on top of things.
25:11 You have 11,000 bills and you have 24 hours in a day, and you're trying to figure out how to pay them. But yeah, I've definitely noticed that's when I get the strongest sense. Oh wow, because I could understand them. Somebody who's speaking English, I can understand what they're saying. I love the country, I love the Philippines overall. It's going to be the place for me long-term, presuming I'm able to maintain compliance with the visas, which I believe I'm capable of doing.
25:51 It's also closer, right? If you want to fly to California from the Philippines, you fly to Manila, and it's like 12 hours to LA. So you shave off some time from going from Thailand, Cambodia, even Vietnam or Indonesia. But yeah, anyway, I do want to dive into a little bit more here.
26:14 You've talked to me about your programming, and I'm curious, is this something where you're interested to offer these services to people and provide your insight? I know you've been grinding away at it, and maybe if you could just share what you're focused on, because I think some people in the audience might want to pick your brain. Also, somebody might be interested to bring you on board.
26:46 Yeah, I would be thrilled. I'm absolutely open to talking with anyone who has an interest in coding and talking about my experience learning it. At this point, I feel proficient at designing certain types of websites. I'm in the middle of a JavaScript curriculum and have been hard at it for about four to five months now, spending two, three, sometimes four hours a day studying.
27:19 My first month or two was spent learning HTML and CSS, which is the common building block for building a website. From there, I'm getting into the more complex curriculum of JavaScript. My next steps will be learning React, Ember, and APIs. I'm doing my best to equip myself with the skills to make myself marketable and useful for companies.
27:50 That's why I'm here back in Tahoe, California. I have a really kind mentor who's been doing it for almost three decades, who's taken me under his wing and has been kind of hurting my brain a little bit with all that he knows. It's been great; I feel really fortunate and lucky to have this resource right now and I'm trying to make the most of it. My goal is to have a nice job here in the next six to eight months, but we'll see what happens.
28:24 To give you a timeline of how I've done it, I first started watching YouTubes. I think you and I are both YouTube scholars, and that's how I've educated myself on pretty much everything in my adult life, at least the last 10 years. I started out watching YouTube videos, and then I took some free Code Camp introductory classes on CSS, HTML, and JavaScript.
28:47 Then I looked into this Udemy course, taught by a man named John Smiedtman. It's a 50-hour course, highly reviewed, and I'm about halfway through that now. I've also been making my own portfolio and showcasing my projects there. Maybe I could send my portfolio to you at some point.
29:13 Yeah, I'd love to check it out. I definitely want to provide links to all these things in the description of this video so that anybody who's watching this can reach out to you and chat, and potentially create some interesting discussion and dialogue, and maybe inspire some of them too.
29:39 There's so much opportunity for coders and programmers. I looked into doing this some years back because I felt like it was the ideal job to be a digital nomad. How much better can you get? You literally only need your computer, and you've got your workstation. If it fits in your backpack, you take that with you anywhere you want to go in the world, and you're able to be productive.
30:11 Do you foresee, and just kind of moving toward the future, and I want to be mindful of your time because I know you're still putting in your time every day, what kind of, how do you envision yourself? You mentioned you want to have a job in the six to eight-month range. What do you envision as far as your location? You don't have to specify country, but kind of how do you envision yourself? Once that first paycheck hits your bank, where do you want to be at and how do you want to be living?
30:49 I love thinking about that. First off, I would be willing to take a good entry-level job, anywhere, if it was a hybrid sort of situation, in order to get my bearings and gain experience. I'd be willing to remain in the US or elsewhere, just to get that primary experience. But my ultimate goal is to be fully untethered to a location.
31:20 To answer your question, what that would look like for me, I would like to get all of my things out of a storage unit that I'm paying for, and then just go. I'd have one rolling luggage, one backpack, and then I would be spending one, two, maybe three months in each country, still feeling out where I wanted to stay. I don't have a long-term trajectory plan for one location, but I feel adaptable enough to know that if I find the place that I enjoy being, then I can make a more sustainable life for myself there.
32:00 In the meantime, if I'm making the wage that I want to make, then I'll be accumulating more income to potentially make a down payment on a property back in the US to have as a residence to go back to. So that's sort of the trajectory I'm looking at, and I see myself in Asia for a long-term period of time.
32:23 That's a great option where, let's say you got a down payment built up, you put it down on a property, you could rent it out. You could hire a property manager, and you could rent it out for however long you want. When you decide, 'Hey, I want to go back for a while for whatever reason,' in line with what your needs are, 'Hey, I'm going to come back, I'm going to clear it out for six months, a year, I'm going to catch up with people, maybe host some friends who want to come visit from out of town.'
32:55 Wherever that may be, you really have a lot of optionality there. What you're talking about, and I think that's the best way to do it, is like, that's what's cool about Asia: it adds options. You've got the option of, 'Hey, I worked as a programmer for a year and I saved up X thousands of dollars, and that's going to buy me X amount of time or Y amount of time in Southeast Asia, and then I'm going to use that time to do this.'
33:25 That's what's so beautiful to me. A lot of people think, 'Oh, you're just traveling, you're just having a good time.' No, I'm buying time to think. That's something that we talked about that I thought was so powerful: it's such a luxury to be able to assess where you're at and where you want to go. We don't always have that luxury in the US because we have bills and we have responsibilities, and the pace is so fast. We're just trying to stay on top of stuff; we're not thinking, 'Where am I going to be in six months? Where am I going to be in a year?'
33:54 We're just like, 'I need to keep my job.' The pace is just so fast; we're not always able to assess well.
34:04 Yeah, I think this has been a great conversation, Jake. I really appreciate you taking the time to kind of fill us in on what that's looked like. Talking a little bit about the reverse culture shock, I do want to give you the final word. Do you have any final thoughts to share before we wrap up for this evening?
34:26 Yeah, no, I just would like to say thank you, Alex, for all the content and inviting me on. I hope that you continue to promote what you're promoting, and you're providing a valuable service to expats and digital nomads. I appreciate your channel. If anyone out there is curious about what I'm doing, I have a YouTube channel as well, and it's Jakeelope Travels. Maybe Alex can provide a link for you. I'd be happy to have more subscribers as usual, and I'm usually very responsive if you want to comment and start a conversation. Thanks again, Alex, really appreciate it.
35:09 Again, Alex, I really appreciate you. Absolutely, everybody, check out Jakou Travels. Reach out to Jake, he's definitely a responsive guy, really engaging, and somebody I feel very fortunate to have met through the interwebs.
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