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Achieving financial independence in Southeast Asia requires a personalized budget that accounts for lifestyle, location, healthcare, and potential relationship costs, with a target portfolio of $500,000 yielding $20,000 annually for a safe withdrawal rate.
The video outlines a personal financial independence (FI) number for living in Southeast Asia, targeting a $500,000 dividend-paying portfolio that yields $20,000 annually. This income is intended to cover estimated monthly expenses of $1,200-$1,400, allowing for savings and unexpected costs. The host emphasizes that this is a personal calculation and individual needs will vary based on lifestyle, family obligations, and location preferences.
Key strategies for achieving this FI number include choosing smaller to medium-sized cities over major capitals or popular tourist destinations like islands, as these locations offer lower rent and living expenses. The host also stresses the importance of budgeting for healthcare, recommending proactive check-ups and considering travel insurance, especially for those who might ride motorbikes. Lifestyle expectations, such as dining on Western food or frequenting nightlife, can significantly increase costs and must be factored into the budget.
Further considerations include the financial implications of relationships, such as supporting a partner, their children, or dealing with legal complexities in certain countries like the Philippines. The video also highlights the necessity of emergency and repatriation budgets, suggesting a minimum of $10,000-$20,000 for emergencies and funds to cover a flight home plus several months of living expenses. The host concludes by encouraging viewers to consider these factors and share their own thoughts and experiences.
A financial independence number for Southeast Asia is the amount of money you need saved to live comfortably without working. The video suggests a target portfolio of $500,000, which can generate around $20,000 annually through a 4% withdrawal rate. This aims to cover estimated monthly expenses, typically between $1,200 and $1,400.
Retiring in Thailand, or Southeast Asia generally, requires a personalized budget. A key takeaway is aiming for a $500,000 portfolio to generate $20,000 annually. This figure can be adjusted based on your specific lifestyle, location choice (smaller cities are cheaper), and potential unforeseen costs.
For financial independence in Southeast Asia, it's recommended to choose smaller to medium-sized cities over major capitals or popular tourist islands. These locations offer significantly lower rent and overall living expenses. This strategy helps stretch your savings further and makes achieving your FI number more attainable.
A safe withdrawal rate (SWR) is crucial for maintaining your retirement funds. The video references a 4% withdrawal rate, which is a common guideline in FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early) planning. This rate suggests you can withdraw 4% of your investment portfolio each year with a high probability of not running out of money.
Retiring in Southeast Asia can have hidden costs beyond daily expenses. These include budgeting for healthcare, especially for potential accidents or chronic conditions, and travel insurance. Additionally, lifestyle choices like frequenting Western restaurants or extensive travel can increase costs, as can relationship expenses like supporting a partner or their family.
Yes, an emergency fund is essential when planning for financial independence in Southeast Asia. The video suggests a minimum emergency fund of $10,000-$20,000 to cover unexpected events. This fund acts as a buffer against unforeseen circumstances, ensuring you're not forced to liquidate investments at an inopportune time.
The target financial independence number for living in Southeast Asia is around $500,000, aiming for a portfolio that yields $20,000 annually. This income should cover estimated monthly expenses of $1,200-$1,400, leaving room for savings and unexpected costs.
To reduce living costs, it's recommended to choose smaller to medium-sized cities over major capitals or popular tourist destinations. These locations generally offer lower rent and overall expenses compared to more well-known or highly visited areas.
Budgeting for healthcare is crucial when living abroad, including proactive check-ups and considering travel insurance. Factors like riding motorbikes can increase risks, so it's wise to plan for potential medical needs and associated costs.
Achieving financial independence in Thailand involves careful budgeting for lifestyle choices, such as dining out or nightlife, which can significantly increase expenses. It's also important to factor in potential costs related to relationships and maintain emergency funds.
A common guideline for a safe withdrawal rate from retirement portfolios is 4%. This rate is considered sustainable over the long term, though some viewers suggest higher yields are possible through different investment strategies.
For long-term stays in Thailand, options like the ED visa exist, though they may have limitations. Other possibilities include elite visas or considering countries like the Philippines, which may offer more accessible retirement visa options for Americans.
It is essential to budget for the unexpected when living abroad, including maintaining emergency funds and repatriation budgets. A suggested minimum emergency fund is $10,000-$20,000 to cover unforeseen events or the cost of returning home.
0:10 Hey YouTube, Alex here, and I'm at Hot Y City Park in Hot Y, Thailand. I wanted to make a video because I keep getting asked about this, and I think it's really going to be valuable for a lot of you: how much do I personally need for financial independence in Southeast Asia?
0:27 This is by no means an exhaustive list, and this video is not financial advice. As for how much you need, that really depends on your lifestyle preferences. I'm a bachelor with limited expenses. Back home, you may be responsible for paying child support, you may have a mortgage payment, or other kinds of obligations like having a family. If you're attempting to bring a family to this part of the world, then your budget is going to look different from mine. In my case, I'm just paying for myself.
1:04 This is not a forever list. Inflation is a worldwide phenomenon, and things can change. This idea assumes that my base-level cost of living in Southeast Asia, multiplied by the inflation rate, will not exceed the rise of my income in the West. So, what is my FIRE number for Southeast Asia? That is a dividend-paying portfolio with a value of $500,000 at a 4% safe withdrawal yield.
1:30 Now, 4% of $500,000 is $20,000. This would create a monthly income of around $1,600 USD per month, a little bit more than that. And that's not my monthly expenses; that is just my income. My budget would probably look closer to, say, $1,200 per month, maybe $1,400 per month. This would allow for saving some extra capital to cover unexpected expenses, to cover the cost of replacing batteries in my phone and laptop, and to eventually needing to replace my phone and laptop, and deal with any unexpected healthcare expenses.
2:08 This is just the baseline. What does this $1,200 per month of expenses include? Well, I would say the rent and the electricity combined should not exceed $300, maybe $350. And my food budget would not exceed, say, $500, maybe $550. Now, that does include a lot of Western food. I do at times enjoy a nice pizza, or sometimes I like to go have Indian food or some sushi, and that's going to run more than local dishes.
2:37 On top of that, I throw in a $100 transportation budget and $100 for visas. You might be thinking that's $1,000 to $1,050 per month. Well, I also budget in there that I'm going to run into anywhere from $100 to $150 per month of unexpected expenses.
2:58 This doesn't include health insurance because I currently self-insure. I would probably attempt to get a work permit, a visa in the country that I'm staying in long-term, that allows me to do some things on the side, whether it be working online or maybe teaching English. This is not, 'Oh, now I've got my $1,600 per month, I'm just going to sit on the couch and do nothing.'
3:20 So now that we've talked about the dividend portfolio and the monthly income, what are my five points that I'm going to be following to maintain success? Number one is that I'm taking a look at small to medium-sized cities. I'm not looking as closely at the large capitals. I find that they will probably exceed my budget when considering the rent in a convenient district or all of the potential expenses that you have in a big city.
3:50 I don't find big cities inherently expensive as much as I find them to be incredibly easy places to spend money. You have lots and lots of opportunities to spend money, that's why I find them to be more expensive. Certainly, rent is not cheap in Bangkok City Center, but you can easily find $100 a month apartments on the outskirts. You go far enough out of Manila, it's the same deal. You look at Steve from Philippines Info Channel, he's in Trece Martires City, and he's paying, I think, $80 equivalent for his rent.
4:21 I'm from a medium-sized city in the US, Nashville. And so I find that the medium or small cities are more in line with what I'm accustomed to. The traffic is not as bad as it is in the capital cities. The people are perhaps a bit less rushed or in a hurry. I think it tends to be easier to get out of the tourist bubble.
4:41 This is the same reason I wouldn't be picking islands or beaches at that price point. These areas also tend to be pricey, comparable to the big cities. And there's nothing wrong with them; I think beaches and islands are just fine. But if you're a budget-conscious person, and especially a budget-conscious person, then I don't think the big cities or the beaches are going to offer the same price points that the small to medium cities will offer.
5:07 The beaches and islands tend to not offer the same economies of scale that the small to medium-sized cities offer. They're serving a smaller number of people, and so the prices have to be higher to accommodate that. Not to mention the higher transportation cost.
5:21 I personally am a big fan of Chiang Mai, Thailand, and I think that's in the running for my long-term home in Southeast Asia. I do recommend doing discovery trips to check out different places and find what's going to work best for you. If you want me to cover discovery trips, let me know down in the comments below, and I'll do a rough outline of what a discovery trip should look like. But that topic is so deep, I've also thought about writing a book about it.
5:47 Consider your healthcare needs now. If you're in perfectly good health, this won't apply to you. But as you get older, you may run into chronic health issues. I have some health issues myself, and I budget a certain amount of money per month to address these healthcare concerns. I'd say probably I set aside like a hundred bucks a month, something like that.
6:06 I do recommend checking out travel insurance providers. I am not currently partnered with one, but if you know of a good one that you recommend, let us know down in the comments, and I'll be happy to check out their services. I prefer a testimonial or something where you can vouch for them, and there's a number of people who are saying, 'Yeah, I've had a good experience with this provider.'
6:27 But this is especially important if you plan to ride a motorbike. I personally do not ride a motorbike, and that's why the budget is not quite so high. But unfortunately, accidents do happen. You see, I think she's a woman of European origin who recently had a motorbike accident in Phuket, and she didn't have insurance. And I think she's got like a GoFundMe to attempt to raise the funds to cover the cost for treatment.
6:50 So I would say be very, very careful about planning financially for emergency situations. You should also be seeing healthcare providers on a consistent basis to try to preemptively catch anything before it gets more severe. A friend of mine who watches this channel, a lovely person, mentioned that he recently had a serious health concern come up because he was regularly getting checkups, and they caught it early. And as a result, he is still with us today.
7:22 And I feel very happy and grateful that he is addressing these concerns early, and I hope that you will do the same. It's not just the catching them early; it's also making sure that you can budget to catch them early. And this is where I would say, let's say you have an income of $2,000 per month. Well, you shouldn't really be spending $2,000 per month. You should really keep your budget lower than that. Create a fund alongside your health insurance to be prepared for these costs before they happen.
7:46 And even more so if you're riding a motorbike, which I don't recommend. But certainly, some people feel that they can handle it. Some places have had issues with foreigners failing to pay, and so they are especially concerned about that and can expect payment upfront. If you are not in a position to handle it, then that's where insurance can step in and allow for your admittance.
8:11 I'm not going to get into tons of details on this one just because I haven't had that circumstance myself. It's certainly something I'm going to be more cautious about as I get older and my health deteriorates with age.
8:23 What are your lifestyle expectations? Do you expect to be eating Western food every day? Do you expect to be jet-setting to other parts of the country? Do you want to be partying, enjoying the nightlife scene? All of these can cost a lot and really add to your budget. And so if these are things that you want to participate in on a consistent basis, you'll want to budget extra for this.
8:44 For me personally, I'm not a nightlife guy. I'm not a jet-setter, and I'm not really, I'm not as much of a traveler. I like to do slow travels. These are not as large of a budget concern for me, but they may be a concern for you.
8:57 If you want to be eating Western food every day, then consider that it could cost you as much as it costs in your home country, if not more. To import Australian beef to Thailand is not cheap. And being so far from production, you can't expect to get the same kind of deals or discounts that you would in your home country. Likewise, if you want to have salmon imported from Norway, then that's going to cost as well.
9:23 You're not going to get that much of a discount. In some cases, I found some things to be more expensive, but often they're at least as expensive. In the case of cheese, cheese is much more expensive in Thailand than it is in a Western country because cheese is considered a luxury. It's considered a niche product, and not everybody's eating cheese, so they don't have the same economies of scale. It's also expensive to store cheese. There's also a limited domestic market for it.
9:51 So that's one of those things where you're so used to it being fairly economical in the West, but when you are in Southeast Asia, it could cost you a pretty penny. Also, consider that if you meet a significant other in Southeast Asia and you want her or him to join you on your travels, then you're going to pay extra for them to be joining you. Instead of buying one plane ticket, you're going to be purchasing two. Instead of buying one dinner, you're going to be purchasing two.
10:16 Now, some guys will date a woman who has a career, and I think that's perfectly fine. But that's not going to be the case for every guy, and you need to consider that. And if she does have a career, then that will...
10:28 Having a career will somewhat limit your vacation options. If you are working Monday through Friday, you might not always have the energy to run off to an island. You may want to just chill out on the weekends. I know for me, when I'm working full-time, I don't always want to be traveling every weekend.
10:44 When I was younger, maybe I had the energy for that, but as I've gotten older, I prefer a more relaxed pace. Speaking of relationships, dating will add to your budget, not just the actual partnership, but finding somebody that you are interested in.
11:00 If you want to live in a certain city, then you'll want to start there. I don't like the idea of trying to meet somebody online and then wanting to live in Chiang Mai, but you're talking to women in Phuket. That's going to involve a lot more legwork.
11:13 Are you going to move to Phuket? Are you going to help them move to Chiang Mai? What if things don't work out? Are you going to help them move back to Phuket? If you move to Phuket and you don't want to live there, you're going to be making a lot of compromises that may cause some friction in your relationship.
11:27 I'm personally not a big beach guy, so Phuket is not what I'm looking for, but it is a wonderful place for many people. You should also consider for people who are dating a significant other that has a child from a previous relationship: are you able to afford that?
11:41 Can you provide for not only your significant other, but also their child? Are you able to consider their pre-existing obligations, whether it be to their parents, to their child, or to their ex-significant other?
11:54 In the case of the Philippines, if you are a guy who is dating somebody who is married, well, divorce is illegal in the Philippines. Are you capable of helping to fund an annulment? This is a very expensive and time-consuming process.
12:09 I'm not an attorney, however, I've heard this from plenty of guys who say this is something you need to look out for or need to consider. You really have to be cautious there and understand if you want to do things legally, then it can be quite expensive.
12:24 In this scenario, adultery is a serious crime in the Philippines. It is a jailable offense, and you don't want to be in that position. This is another circumstance where I think it's important to consider the needs of your potential significant other.
12:38 Because if you have a family, then the grandparents are probably going to want to be involved. Are you open to budgeting the time and money to make that happen?
12:48 Finally, this is just a start. This is not an exhaustive list by any means. You should also, of course, have an emergency budget. This is going to be different for everyone. I personally recommend a minimum of 10 to 20K.
13:02 You should also include a repatriation budget. This is if your plan goes awry, unfortunately, it does happen. For me, a repatriation budget includes the expenses to get back to my home country: a one-way flight back to the US and three to six months of living expenses.
13:22 A deposit on an apartment, first month's rent, and then money to pay for rent, food, and transportation for three to six months after I land. It is not only the funds that I need just to get back because, okay, yeah, I'm back in the States, but where am I going to stay?
13:38 I prefer not to stay at a homeless shelter. I would prefer to rent a studio or a room from my friend, and that costs money. I already own a car back in the States, so transportation is not going to be as high for me.
13:49 But if you're going back and having to buy a car, then that transportation budget should be higher. It may not even be an emergency that sends you back. You may just get tired of living overseas. You may miss your friends and family back home.
14:01 Your business may require your in-person intervention. There are all kinds of reasons why people move back home, and you want to be prepared in case you are also in that position.
14:11 If you are in a position where you totally run out of money, the US government, assuming you're an American, I don't believe this is the case for UK residents or Canadians, but the US government will give you a repatriation loan. They will loan you the money to buy a plane ticket back.
14:29 Assuming you sit down and credit call, I think it's three contacts that you need to contact. Maybe it's two contacts, and check with them like, 'Hey, I'm in a rough spot. Can you loan me the money to buy a ticket?' If they don't answer or they say no, then the US government will let you go back on a repat loan.
14:44 But they are going to hold your passport until you pay that loan back in full. Now, if you run out of money, you probably shouldn't be looking to get out of the US immediately anyway. You don't want to run into that situation in the first place.
14:55 So have a repatriation budget, have an emergency budget, be prepared to go back if things don't work out. I hope this video has been helpful. Let me know what you think down in the comments below.
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